discuss: Thread: Re: NEW MIRROR (ARG)]

Hello,
I noticed that the feedback list receive often announces for new 
mirrors. I can't find in the web site the name of the people in charge 
of updating the mirror page. last update is recent (august 11), so I 
hope he's reading here :-)

anyway It's probably worth having copy of at least the new mirrors on 
the wiki and I begun a page http://wiki.tldp.org/New%20Mirrors#preview

I received through the feedback list a such announce today (Saturday 
29) and answered to thank and give the wiki page as info. In turn I 
received the question below.

it seems to me reasonable (look at the main static page 
(http://tldp.org), bottom of the left column).

I think we could ask the mirror server to *add* it's logo under the 
ibiblio logo on the local mirror, given this can be done completely 
without our intervention

what do you think?
Who is the mirror page maintainer?

as an other question, I see on the mirror page than a daily mirror is 
prefered.

This mean than the tldp static site can be updated daily. Could we 
found a way for the author to flag they wiki page "good to be stored"? 
is a letter to discuss list or the submit list 
(http://tldp.org/LDP/LDP-Author-Guide/html/submission.html).

an other pleasant way should be to have a *tag* on the wiki "ready for 
publication", if a script can browse such tag (or category), take the 
page, convert it to docbook and remove the tag?

thanks
jdd

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Sujet: Re: NEW MIRROR (ARG)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:50:37 -0300
De: LocalStrike | Alejandro Lázaro ####@####.####
Répondre à :: LocalStrike | Alejandro Lázaro 
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Pour :: jdd ####@####.####
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Hi jjd,
it's possible change the image of sponsor (hosted by ibiblio) by another
(hosted by localhost.net.ar)?
Thanks.
Regards.
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http://www.localhost.net.ar/
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----- Original Message -----
From: "jdd" ####@####.####
To: "LocalHost | mirrors" ####@####.####
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: NEW MIRROR (ARG)


LocalHost | mirrors a écrit :
> Dear Sirs,
> I've setup LDP mirror and would like to be listed in mirror list
> Here is the related information :

thank you :-)

we are re-organising the ldp web site (but this part is not for
mirroring, so no problem).

Your mirror is at least listed here

http://wiki.tldp.org/New%20Mirrors#preview

jdd (for ldp)


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On 8/29/08, jdd ####@####.#### wrote:
> Hello,
> I noticed that the feedback list receive often announces for new
> mirrors. I can't find in the web site the name of the people in charge
> of updating the mirror page.

"Machtelt Garrels, <...>, Author / contributor

Author of two noted TLDP guides; maintains mirror site list. Assists
in TLDP Document Review effort. Co-editor of the TLDP Weekly News.
Answers feedback mailinglist."

http://tldp.org/vlist.html

> last update is recent (august 11), so I
> hope he's reading here :-)

She most probably isn't, I haven't heard from her in a while and not
even private emails are get replies any longer.

> anyway It's probably worth having copy of at least the new mirrors on
> the wiki and I begun a page http://wiki.tldp.org/New%20Mirrors#preview

Please give wiki pages neutral names. One of these days it's going to
be the old New Mirrors page. :-)

You also need to verify that they're following the rules before adding them.

1. Absolutely no advertising, porn links, warez or anything similar.
Some people have used LDP archives in the past as bait.

2. They need to commit to regular updates.

> I received through the feedback list a such announce today (Saturday
> 29) and answered to thank and give the wiki page as info. In turn I
> received the question below.

I didn't see that, please at least CC the feedback list.

> it seems to me reasonable (look at the main static page
> (http://tldp.org), bottom of the left column).
>
> I think we could ask the mirror server to *add* it's logo under the
> ibiblio logo on the local mirror, given this can be done completely
> without our intervention

They're actually supposed to replace the ibiblio logo. Ibiblio is our
host, so we have their button -- other host, other button.

This was mentioned a few years back on the feedback list.

BTW, the button is the only permitted "advertising" on an official LDP
mirror. As long as it is the hosts button.

> what do you think?

I think that needs to be added to the doc's for the mirror maintainers.

> Who is the mirror page maintainer?

Answered on the top of this post.

> as an other question, I see on the mirror page than a daily mirror is
> prefered.
>
> This mean than the tldp static site can be updated daily. Could we
> found a way for the author to flag they wiki page "good to be stored"?
> is a letter to discuss list or the submit list
> (http://tldp.org/LDP/LDP-Author-Guide/html/submission.html).

Letter?

> an other pleasant way should be to have a *tag* on the wiki "ready for
> publication", if a script can browse such tag (or category), take the
> page, convert it to docbook and remove the tag?

I've noticed that few wiki pages have tags, it's on my todo list to fix.

Simply but CategoryDraft at the bottom of pages that mustn't be
published yet. Below any CategoryHowto or CategoryGuide tags that may
exist.

-- 
Robert Spencer

What is being used to post the HOWTOs to the wiki?  Are they being parsed?

-Paul

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Robert Spencer ####@####.#### wrote:
> On 8/29/08, jdd ####@####.#### wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I noticed that the feedback list receive often announces for new
>> mirrors. I can't find in the web site the name of the people in charge
>> of updating the mirror page.
>
> "Machtelt Garrels, <...>, Author / contributor
>
> Author of two noted TLDP guides; maintains mirror site list. Assists
> in TLDP Document Review effort. Co-editor of the TLDP Weekly News.
> Answers feedback mailinglist."
>
> http://tldp.org/vlist.html
>
>> last update is recent (august 11), so I
>> hope he's reading here :-)
>
> She most probably isn't, I haven't heard from her in a while and not
> even private emails are get replies any longer.
>
>> anyway It's probably worth having copy of at least the new mirrors on
>> the wiki and I begun a page http://wiki.tldp.org/New%20Mirrors#preview
>
> Please give wiki pages neutral names. One of these days it's going to
> be the old New Mirrors page. :-)
>
> You also need to verify that they're following the rules before adding them.
>
> 1. Absolutely no advertising, porn links, warez or anything similar.
> Some people have used LDP archives in the past as bait.
>
> 2. They need to commit to regular updates.
>
>> I received through the feedback list a such announce today (Saturday
>> 29) and answered to thank and give the wiki page as info. In turn I
>> received the question below.
>
> I didn't see that, please at least CC the feedback list.
>
>> it seems to me reasonable (look at the main static page
>> (http://tldp.org), bottom of the left column).
>>
>> I think we could ask the mirror server to *add* it's logo under the
>> ibiblio logo on the local mirror, given this can be done completely
>> without our intervention
>
> They're actually supposed to replace the ibiblio logo. Ibiblio is our
> host, so we have their button -- other host, other button.
>
> This was mentioned a few years back on the feedback list.
>
> BTW, the button is the only permitted "advertising" on an official LDP
> mirror. As long as it is the hosts button.
>
>> what do you think?
>
> I think that needs to be added to the doc's for the mirror maintainers.
>
>> Who is the mirror page maintainer?
>
> Answered on the top of this post.
>
>> as an other question, I see on the mirror page than a daily mirror is
>> prefered.
>>
>> This mean than the tldp static site can be updated daily. Could we
>> found a way for the author to flag they wiki page "good to be stored"?
>> is a letter to discuss list or the submit list
>> (http://tldp.org/LDP/LDP-Author-Guide/html/submission.html).
>
> Letter?
>
>> an other pleasant way should be to have a *tag* on the wiki "ready for
>> publication", if a script can browse such tag (or category), take the
>> page, convert it to docbook and remove the tag?
>
> I've noticed that few wiki pages have tags, it's on my todo list to fix.
>
> Simply but CategoryDraft at the bottom of pages that mustn't be
> published yet. Below any CategoryHowto or CategoryGuide tags that may
> exist.
>
> --
> Robert Spencer
>
> ______________________
> http://lists.tldp.org/
>
>



-- 
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SGT U.S. Army
Squad Leader, Infantry

####@####.#### a écrit :
> What is being used to post the HOWTOs to the wiki?  Are they being parsed?

I only posted my own one (and just revised it)

we probably have to build a "todo" page :-)

personally, I think it's good to put in the wiki unreviewed HOWTOs, 
but this should be more visible. category "To be reviewed"??

The only way to have really good HOWTOs is to have *an author*. I 
tested this on many wikis.

This don't necessary mean a great work, once the first publication is 
done, only somebody to drop an eye on the page from time to time to 
see is nobody disturb it.

more later
jdd

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Robert Spencer a écrit :

> She most probably isn't, I haven't heard from her in a while and not
> even private emails are get replies any longer.

she seems to be still active (good :-) but may not for the LDP?

http://samedi.collectifs.net/spip.php?article56

> Please give wiki pages neutral names. One of these days it's going to
> be the old New Mirrors page. :-)

the "new" is for the mirror, not for the page :-). When the static 
mirror page is updated, this "new" page should be trimmed
> 
> You also need to verify that they're following the rules before adding them.

thus the wiki page. we probably have to add there the rules and ask 
visitors to give feedback :-)

I'm *not* candidate to manage mirrors.

**is there a candidate here to manage the mirrors?** if so, please say 
so. if not we have to try to find one.

> 
> 1. Absolutely no advertising, porn links, warez or anything similar.
> Some people have used LDP archives in the past as bait.

I hope so :-)))
> 
> 2. They need to commit to regular updates.

is there a way to do so automatically? (cron job to scan mirrors???).

> They're actually supposed to replace the ibiblio logo. Ibiblio is our
> host, so we have their button -- other host, other button.

good

>> Who is the mirror page maintainer?
> 
> Answered on the top of this post.

no :-(. I wanted to know who did the effective change on the page on 
August :-). He (she?) is the real people that do the job (thanks to 
him/her!!)

>> This mean than the tldp static site can be updated daily. Could we
>> found a way for the author to flag they wiki page "good to be stored"?
>> is a letter to discuss list or the submit list
>> (http://tldp.org/LDP/LDP-Author-Guide/html/submission.html).
> 
> Letter?

post

> Simply but CategoryDraft at the bottom of pages that mustn't be
> published yet. Below any CategoryHowto or CategoryGuide tags that may
> exist.
> 
I don't yet know how moin manage categories

thanks
jdd

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jdd wrote:

> is there a way to do so automatically? (cron job to scan mirrors???).
> 

Use any good mirror manager.

http://fedorahosted.org/mirrormanger is one.

Rahul

On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 12:09:30AM +0200, Robert Spencer wrote:
> On 8/29/08, jdd ####@####.#### wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I noticed that the feedback list receive often announces for new
> > mirrors. I can't find in the web site the name of the people in charge
> > of updating the mirror page.

It seems that I am not getting feedback mails any more...

Tille.
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