discuss: Thread: task list

Please review and add to the task list, we will have soon to ask for 
help publicly :-)

http://wiki.tldp.org/Rewriting%20Manifesto/GettingInvolved#preview

jdd
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On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:03 PM, jdd ####@####.#### wrote:

> Please review and add to the task list, we will have soon to ask for help
> publicly :-)
>
> http://wiki.tldp.org/Rewriting%20Manifesto/GettingInvolved#preview
>

For converting tool from docbook to xml, have a look here
http://wiki.tldp.org/DocBook%20Gateway

mhydra



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As usual, jdd's English needs improving.  Where's Martin Wheeler?

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 02:03:34PM +0200, jdd wrote:
> Please review and add to the task list, we will have soon to ask for  
> help publicly :-)

For writing HOWTO's by people who don't know docbook, I suggest
LinuxDoc.  But what about using Moin-Wiki markup for writing HOWTOs?
It's likly just as easy as a subset of Linuxdoc.  So could we ask for
someone to look into converting Moin-Wiki to Linuxdoc and conversely.
If it's too hard then don't do it but perhaps the software for
conversions to-from DocBook to Moin-Wiki could be easily modified to
support LinuxDoc.

>
> http://wiki.tldp.org/Rewriting%20Manifesto/GettingInvolved#preview
>
			David Lawyer

David Lawyer a écrit :

> For writing HOWTO's by people who don't know docbook, I suggest
> LinuxDoc.

Tha goal of the ldp is to give doc in a format able to translate to 
the maximum number of other formats.

If I understand well, we *don't* provide these other formats on line 
(should we?), so the source must be in the format the more and the 
easier backend exists, probably docbook.

But what about using Moin-Wiki markup for writing HOWTOs?

well... this is what we try to do :-), at least on the wiki. I don't 
see real reason to use MoinMoin markup outside of the wiki, anybody 
can use the ldp wiki.

One of the reason I think it important to be able to allow protected 
page is to allow author to begin drafts. I know I personnaly dislike 
showing drafts! and setting a MoinMoin wiki is not that easy, so we 
can't ask authors to setup one on they own machine.

> It's likly just as easy as a subset of Linuxdoc.  So could we ask for
> someone to look into converting Moin-Wiki to Linuxdoc and conversely.

as long as it's easy to convert *automatically* from wiki to docbook, 
converting *to* wiki is a one way work

I know of no conversion prosess really able to work without using the 
least common denominator of the two languages, too bad :-)

jdd
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 08:09:20AM +0200, jdd wrote:
> David Lawyer a ?crit :
>
>> For writing HOWTO's by people who don't know docbook, I suggest
>> LinuxDoc.
>
> The goal of the ldp is to give doc in a format able to translate to the 
> maximum number of other formats.
LinuxDoc and DocBook translate into these other formats.
>
> If I understand well, we *don't* provide these other formats on line  
Of course we provide html online.
> (should we?), so the source must be in the format the more and the  
> easier backend exists, probably docbook.
>
> But what about using Moin-Wiki markup for writing HOWTOs?
>
> well... this is what we try to do :-), at least on the wiki. I don't see 
> real reason to use MoinMoin markup outside of the wiki, anybody can use 
> the ldp wiki.

Not always.  Suppose you are not connected at home to the Internet.
Or suppose you have a dialup connection to the Internet and don't want
to tie up your phone line for a long time.  Another problem is that it
may be a bother and take time to get on the Internet, your ISP might
be down, etc.  Also, there are sometimes time limits for being
connected to the Internet or even time charges (some phone calls cost
per minute).  So there are some people that would rather work
off-line, especially those in poor countries.

>
> One of the reason I think it important to be able to allow protected  
> page is to allow author to begin drafts. I know I personally dislike  
> showing drafts! and setting a MoinMoin wiki is not that easy, so we  
> can't ask authors to setup one on they own machine.
>
>> It's likely just as easy as a subset of Linuxdoc.  So could we ask for
>> someone to look into converting Moin-Wiki to Linuxdoc and conversely.
>
> as long as it's easy to convert *automatically* from wiki to docbook,  
> converting *to* wiki is a one way work
>
> I know of no conversion process really able to work without using the  
> least common denominator of the two languages, too bad :-)

Of course.  But couldn't one find the subset of docbook and linuxdoc
that corresponds to wiki and then just use those subsets so that one
could write in docbook or linuxdoc and automatically covert to wiki
(if the converters existed).  But there may be some parts of the wiki
markup that can't be expressed in docbook/linuxdoc.  

			David Lawyer

David Lawyer a écrit :

> Not always.  Suppose you are not connected at home to the Internet.

yes, I know. I have no problem with people using linuxdoc (I did, it's 
very easy) or simply text, easy to paste in the wiki and met the 
others do the markup :-)

>> I know of no conversion process really able to work without using the  
>> least common denominator of the two languages, too bad :-)
> 
> Of course.  But couldn't one find the subset of docbook and linuxdoc
> that corresponds to wiki and then just use those subsets so that one
> could write in docbook or linuxdoc and automatically covert to wiki
> (if the converters existed).  But there may be some parts of the wiki
> markup that can't be expressed in docbook/linuxdoc.  

the main problem of linuxdoc is images. But this is not linuxdoc only 
(ASCII as well :-()

anyway we *have* to make some sort of lexicon giving the most probable 
translation from docbook, linuxdoc, MoinMoin in a table and try to 
improve this.

I plan to ask on the Moin list for such help

jdd


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http://valerie.dodin.org
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-eic8MSSfM

I will do the following points from the task list:
 - Automated docbook gateway.
 - contact the authors, ask them if they still maintain it and if they
accept to put the doc on the wiki.

mhydra


On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:37 AM, jdd ####@####.#### wrote:

> David Lawyer a écrit :
>
>  Not always.  Suppose you are not connected at home to the Internet.
>>
>
> yes, I know. I have no problem with people using linuxdoc (I did, it's very
> easy) or simply text, easy to paste in the wiki and met the others do the
> markup :-)
>
>  I know of no conversion process really able to work without using the
>>>  least common denominator of the two languages, too bad :-)
>>>
>>
>> Of course.  But couldn't one find the subset of docbook and linuxdoc
>> that corresponds to wiki and then just use those subsets so that one
>> could write in docbook or linuxdoc and automatically covert to wiki
>> (if the converters existed).  But there may be some parts of the wiki
>> markup that can't be expressed in docbook/linuxdoc.
>>
>
> the main problem of linuxdoc is images. But this is not linuxdoc only
> (ASCII as well :-()
>
> anyway we *have* to make some sort of lexicon giving the most probable
> translation from docbook, linuxdoc, MoinMoin in a table and try to improve
> this.
>
> I plan to ask on the Moin list for such help
>
>
> jdd
>
>
> --
> http://www.dodin.net
> http://valerie.dodin.org
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>
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>
>

Svetoslav P. Chukov a écrit :
> I will do the following points from the task list:
>  - Automated docbook gateway.
>  - contact the authors, ask them if they still maintain it and if they
> accept to put the doc on the wiki.

wonderfull!!

thanks
jdd

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In order to achieve the tasks, I created that page
http://wiki.tldp.org/Page_Status.
So, the current status of all the pages available in TLDP will be
published there.

mhydra

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:03 AM, jdd ####@####.#### wrote:
> Svetoslav P. Chukov a écrit :
>>
>> I will do the following points from the task list:
>>  - Automated docbook gateway.
>>  - contact the authors, ask them if they still maintain it and if they
>> accept to put the doc on the wiki.
>
> wonderfull!!
>
> thanks
> jdd
>
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> http://valerie.dodin.org
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>
>

[I realise that I'm replying to an old post.  Still catching up on two
weeks of old postings, from while I was in the UK, Denmark, Germany,
Estonia, Russia, Finland, Sweden, and Norway.]

Quoting David Lawyer ####@####.####

> As usual, jdd's English needs improving.  Where's Martin Wheeler?

jdd's English est meilleur que ma connaissance de la belle langue.
I've been lightly touching up his pages as I encounter them.  ;->