discuss: Thread: Inappropriate contents

Hello,

We have been contacted by a very wise people noting some of our
mirrors sites uses LDP to advertise porn sites. They add small links
at the bottom of the home mirror page or in the "sponsor" link we
usually allow.

I added to the http://wiki.tldp.org/Mirroring%20Information page this,
but my english is very limited on this subject, so please edit the text.:

"We can't accept to advertise porn sites, so we can't neither accept
to be mirrorred by inapropriate servers. Any such found mirror will be
removed from our mirror page and we may use any procedure against such
sites trying to mirror the LDP. "

I will have to look more when somebody ask for mirrorring...

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On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 19:25, jdd ####@####.#### wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We have been contacted by a very wise people noting some of our
> mirrors sites uses LDP to advertise porn sites. They add small links
> at the bottom of the home mirror page or in the "sponsor" link we
> usually allow.
>
> I added to the http://wiki.tldp.org/Mirroring%20Information page this,
> but my english is very limited on this subject, so please edit the text.:
>
> "We can't accept to advertise porn sites, so we can't neither accept
> to be mirrorred by inapropriate servers. Any such found mirror will be
> removed from our mirror page and we may use any procedure against such
> sites trying to mirror the LDP. "
>
> I will have to look more when somebody ask for mirrorring...

How do you plan to monitor all mirrors? What exactly means "inappropriate"?

s.

I would believe that inappropriate would include the following genres:

pornography (OF ALL KINDS)
racist based websites
anti-semitic
sexist
any site recommending or promoting the use of illegal drugs
any site recommending or promoting the use of illegally obtained software

PR is vital to the open source community (in my opinion). I know we 
don't intend to model ourselves around corporate giants, but we need 
think like them when promoting our software. Having links to 
pornographic websites is not considered professional and usually will 
only give the community a bad name.

Is it possible that the monitoring of mirrors can be delegated to 
certain individuals or can this be a community effort?



Sergiusz Pawlowicz wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 19:25, jdd ####@####.#### wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> We have been contacted by a very wise people noting some of our
>> mirrors sites uses LDP to advertise porn sites. They add small links
>> at the bottom of the home mirror page or in the "sponsor" link we
>> usually allow.
>>
>> I added to the http://wiki.tldp.org/Mirroring%20Information page this,
>> but my english is very limited on this subject, so please edit the text.:
>>
>> "We can't accept to advertise porn sites, so we can't neither accept
>> to be mirrorred by inapropriate servers. Any such found mirror will be
>> removed from our mirror page and we may use any procedure against such
>> sites trying to mirror the LDP. "
>>
>> I will have to look more when somebody ask for mirrorring...
> 
> How do you plan to monitor all mirrors? What exactly means "inappropriate"?
> 
> s.
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Le 16/11/2009 20:32, Sergiusz Pawlowicz a écrit :

> How do you plan to monitor all mirrors? What exactly means "inappropriate"?

it's me that (for now) update the mirror list. I can now look not only
at the date of the mirror page but also at the footer :-)

I think we can accept to have our page linking to porn sites, for
example. Same for the home page bottom left "sponsor" optional link.

after that, I don't plan to look at the server itself for content,
shoud we?

And I used "inappropriate" to be able to make my own decision, of
course porn seems obvious, as could be call for murder...

In fact I think any added link should be seen as inapropriate.

If such problem arise, may be we should prohibit also sponsor links
not pre-approved (look at http://ldp.hosting-concepts.com/, bottom left)


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Le 16/11/2009 20:46, jdd a écrit :

> I think we can accept to have our page linking to porn sites, for

"we can't" (of course)

jdd

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Le 16/11/2009 20:43, Robert M Parten II a écrit :

> Is it possible that the monitoring of mirrors can be delegated to
> certain individuals or can this be a community effort?

I like community efforts :-)

AFAIR, the mirror page is not protected, anyway anybody can look at
the mirrors and report any problem

jdd

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I don't have an issue with checking the mirrors and I am sure that 
others won't either. Where shall we report these offending links to?

Perhaps we should contact the sysadmin the server and advise them to our 
actions. I can understand that some people may take offense to this 
because they were only trying to promote open source software and not 
everyone who runs a pornography website is a bad person (sometimes you 
do what you have to in order to eat!).

I know it seems like a lot of effort, is there some way to automate it?

jdd-gmane wrote:
> Le 16/11/2009 20:43, Robert M Parten II a écrit :
> 
>> Is it possible that the monitoring of mirrors can be delegated to
>> certain individuals or can this be a community effort?
> 
> I like community efforts :-)
> 
> AFAIR, the mirror page is not protected, anyway anybody can look at
> the mirrors and report any problem
> 
> jdd
> 

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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:25:47 +0100
jdd ####@####.#### wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> We have been contacted by a very wise people noting some of our
> mirrors sites uses LDP to advertise porn sites. They add small links
> at the bottom of the home mirror page or in the "sponsor" link we
> usually allow.

Can LDP restrict the use of the LDP material in this way under the terms
of the various licenses LDP contributors have used?

Under the terms of the GPL, you cannot say, "You can't use my software
for purpose X." Thus, RMS himself cannot prohibit Microsoft from using
Emacs.

I also think you have a problem that the U.S. Supreme Court hasn't yet
solved: please define pornography.

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Le 16/11/2009 20:55, Robert M Parten II a écrit :
> I don't have an issue with checking the mirrors and I am sure that
> others won't either. Where shall we report these offending links to?

here or directly to me
> 
> Perhaps we should contact the sysadmin the server and advise them to our
> actions. I can understand that some people may take offense to this
> because they were only trying to promote open source software and not
> everyone who runs a pornography website is a bad person (sometimes you
> do what you have to in order to eat!).

I don't think such site mirror the LDP blindly :-(

> 
> I know it seems like a lot of effort, is there some way to automate it?

well, looking at the home page is not too difficult. It's more
difficult to test any page, for this we may have to rely on readers

jdd

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Le 16/11/2009 20:57, Charles Curley a écrit :

> Can LDP restrict the use of the LDP material in this way under the terms
> of the various licenses LDP contributors have used?
> 
> Under the terms of the GPL, you cannot say, "You can't use my software
> for purpose X." Thus, RMS himself cannot prohibit Microsoft from using
> Emacs.
> 
> I also think you have a problem that the U.S. Supreme Court hasn't yet
> solved: please define pornography.
> 
I don't know what we can do if a porn site mirror the LDP without
asking, may be nothing.

but the problem is because the mirrors ask to be listed on our page.
This we can refuse at our single opinion.

I often asked me why we have so many mirrors when we have a so poor
content. may be because we have many mirrors and doing so cross the links.

I prefere to think university on some countrie help students to reach doc.

I would like to see more people contributing :-(

jdd

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