discuss: Thread: links pages

Hello :-)

We have in the tldp Web site a handfull (11) of links pages, beginning
here:

http://www.tldp.org/links/

Most of these pages content seems valid (at a glance). But this
content have probably to be updated and we have from time to time
valid demands to be included.

So these pages are good candidates to the wiki.

However the static ldp pages are difficult to convert to the wiki
because they are made of lot of cascading tables and MoinMoin is not
good with cascading tables :-). So this is a lot of manual work.

As it was said not a so long time ago that the LDP is not a link bank,
I would like to know what option you like better:

* keeping the manually modified page is not really an option, not in
the long time: much too work :-(

* Remove them completely... easy :-)

* Remove the present pages and open a new wiki page for links,
possibly with limited editor team; easy :-)

* copy the present page in the wiki, keeping the html content (Moin
allow plain html pages - not tried) and add new page for new links?
may be good for transition time. We can even keep them, it's probably
much easier to edit html on line than in the present place and anybody
can do.

* convert all the pages content, but then I need help... all have to
be done manually, most cross links are pretty difficult to keep (in
any option), layout can't be kept...

your advice?

thanks
jdd
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The LDP Web Site have several pages filled with links. These are all
the bold links on top of this page:

http://tldp.org/links/

(this is linked from just under the search box on the home page)

We have to work these pages both because I'm pretty sure the links are
not up to date and because we have from time to time people asking us
to add links that seems reasonable.

Automatic conversion to the wiki wont work. We have to accomodate this
mostly manually.

However I wonder exactly what we really need and don't need :-)

On the beginning, do we need link at all? If the answer is no,
removing these pages is easy :-).

If the answer is yes, do we have to keep the same 9 link pages?

thanks
jdd
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Which pages exactly?  The output seems to be different for my browser, or do
you mean everything in the navigation resources area?

It sounds as if you are suggesting replacement of the existing
high-maintenance navigation system with something automated.

What information sources are available?  What kind of output is desired?  Is
there any way that information sources could be enriched to distribute the
workload of quality assurance and depth of detail?

Michael Evans a écrit :
> Which pages exactly?

http://tldp.org/links/

and all the related pages

  The output seems to be different for my browser, or do
> you mean everything in the navigation resources area?
> 
> It sounds as if you are suggesting replacement of the existing
> high-maintenance navigation system with something automated.

automated, I don't see how, but now it's pretty difficult to change
the page (poking in html). The same one in the wiki, eventually with
restricted access if necessary would allow a much easier editing.

But is all this necessary? and for what links?

I now nearly never more use such page (not even my own), google is so
friendly!

jdd


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I'm a poor candidate to ask as well.  My typical action is to either use the
site's built in search, or look for keywords on the main index of howtos.

However the relevant information does not seem to be within your knowledge
either.  Effectively in some language you would like the pages on the site
to (idealy driven by updates, not by views) be refreshed/regenerated from
source information.  Yet the location of that source information and a
system to drive it are unknown to me, therefore I cannot even begin to make
a useful reply.

I've not run, or administered a wiki before, nor do I know about any
extensions (is moin an extension?) TLDP is using.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:56 PM, jdd ####@####.#### wrote:

> Michael Evans a écrit :
> > Which pages exactly?
>
> http://tldp.org/links/
>
> and all the related pages
>
>  The output seems to be different for my browser, or do
> > you mean everything in the navigation resources area?
> >
> > It sounds as if you are suggesting replacement of the existing
> > high-maintenance navigation system with something automated.
>
> automated, I don't see how, but now it's pretty difficult to change
> the page (poking in html). The same one in the wiki, eventually with
> restricted access if necessary would allow a much easier editing.
>
> But is all this necessary? and for what links?
>
> I now nearly never more use such page (not even my own), google is so
> friendly!
>
> jdd
>
>
> --
> http://www.dodin.net
> http://valerie.dodin.org
> http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/
>
>
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>
>

jdd a écrit :
> The LDP Web Site have several pages filled with links. These are all
> the bold links on top of this page:
> 
> http://tldp.org/links/

it may be simpler than I feared:

http://wiki.tldp.org/General-Linux-Informations

In fact there are some conversion problems (Moin don't want to save
some kind of links), but I could fix them - just adding a space on the
line.

Now we need to test any link, but this anybody can do

We have also to setup some sort of layout, but this will be later

jdd
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On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 02:42:34PM +0200, jdd wrote:
> The LDP Web Site have several pages filled with links. These are all
> the bold links on top of this page:
> 
> http://tldp.org/links/

> However I wonder exactly what we really need and don't need :-)
> 
> On the beginning, do we need link at all? If the answer is no,
> removing these pages is easy :-).

(In a later post jdd mentioned that Google is often a better way to
find links.)  I think that all links should be only found in HOWTOs
and other LDP documentation.  What about links to Linux in general?
For this, there should be a HOWTO on Linux Internet Sites which would
contain comments as the the quality and usefulness of such sites(i.e.
reviews of these sites).  The links would be, of course, included in
the reviews.  This could be a wiki.

We need to insure that commercial companies don't get links from our
site unless it's appropriate, say in a hardware type of HOWTO, or the
like.  By getting a link from our site, they increase their rating
with search engines like Google.  On a personal note, someone offered
to pay me about $50 to put a link on my personal website.  I refused
since the link would not be appropriate.
 
			David Lawyer

David Lawyer a écrit :

> We need to insure that commercial companies don't get links from our
> site unless it's appropriate, say in a hardware type of HOWTO, or the
> like.

we need to link to opensource software. I for example have had a quite
long discussion with Novell as they asked for a link; I explained that
we can link to they opensource software (openSUSE, Zypper, Build
service and the like), but not to proprietary software like zenworks

jdd


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