discuss: Thread: To or not to Wiki, a summary [Was Re: small demo page]

Machtelt Garrels wrote:

> Just to update you all: in many parts of the world, summer holiday
> continues to be a communication problem,

that's why no important decision should me make right now, 
only tests. However there are vacationns too à sourceforge :-)

     * The Linux Documentation Project wiki (UNIX name: 
tldpwiki, registered 2005-08-21 22:11)
       Number of business days registration has been pending: 1
       It may take up to 2 business days for new project 
registrations to be processed.

we are 08-24 :-) are they any non bussiness day on usa this 
week?

jdd

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On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, folajimi wrote:

> http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-sexist_language
> http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/documentation-guide/sn-tech-docs-fundamentals.html

Yeah, you all take a good look at this and stop calling me "Mr. Garrels"
or "Dear Sir" :P
The 'great many opinionless people' (see above URL) are probably all male.
Being adressed as "Mrs" or referred to as "she" does not happen to them,
obviously...

Tille.

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Machtelt Garrels wrote:

>> http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/documentation-guide/sn-tech-docs-fundamentals.html

this is exactly the kind of doc I will _hate_ to read (the 
"tone" chapter), like if the writer had a stick in the ...

I appreciate greatly humor and colloquial as well as 
opinions. For example it's _very_ important to know is an 
option is frequently used (ie must be perfectly know) or not 
(one can read the man page if necessary)

about the gender, it's and endless problem. In french there 
no neutral gender, so anybody.thing is necessarily male or 
female. sometimes amusant, most of the time boring

jdd


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jdd wrote:

> Machtelt Garrels wrote:
>
>>> http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/documentation-guide/sn-tech-docs-fundamentals.html 
>>>
>>
>
> this is exactly the kind of doc I will _hate_ to read (the "tone" 
> chapter), like if the writer had a stick in the ...

This is what good documentation is all about. Setting up guidelines and 
expectations.

>
> I appreciate greatly humor and colloquial as well as opinions. For 
> example it's _very_ important to know is an option is frequently used 
> (ie must be perfectly know) or not (one can read the man page if 
> necessary)

I appreciate humor and colloquialism too but they dont belong in 
technical documentation

>
> about the gender, it's and endless problem. In french there no neutral 
> gender, so anybody.thing is necessarily male or female. sometimes 
> amusant, most of the time boring
>
> jdd


When you addressed someone in a in appropriate it, acknowledge it even 
when you dont apologize for it

regards
Rahul

On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 10:32:38AM +0000, Machtelt Garrels wrote:
> 
> Yeah, you all take a good look at this and stop calling me "Mr. Garrels"
> or "Dear Sir" :P

When I see anyone on the net address me "Sir,..." I am pretty sure the
sentence will finish in "...you are a moron", according to  a
well-established Slashdot tradition.

If it does not, I consider the message briefly and it usually lands in
my spam bin.

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The sourceforge tldpwiki project creation was rejected 
without any explication. My account on sourceforge is old, 
but I never used it and may have failed in correctly 
describing the thing.

I made a support request. It's available here, I hope you 
can read it:

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1268388&group_id=1&atid=200001

you may even be able to add to it
jdd
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On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 04:57:30PM +0200, jdd wrote:
> The sourceforge tldpwiki project creation was rejected 
> without any explication. My account on sourceforge is old, 
> but I never used it and may have failed in correctly 
> describing the thing.
> 

Such projects are usually rejected 'cos they are *not* software
projects. If you were to make a piece of *wiki software*, it is ok; but
a content-centric projects are by all means not ok. I was explained that
two years ago by SF.NET staff, when I seeked web space for the project
now hosted at  http://docs.linux.org.ua/ (Ukrainian language *nix
documentation).

> I made a support request. It's available here, I hope you 
> can read it:
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1268388&group_id=1&atid=200001
> 

I think they will just do a copy-and-paste job for you. :)

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Yaroslav Fedevych wrote:

> Such projects are usually rejected 'cos they are *not* software
> projects. 

there is a "documentation" in the projects list. may the 
"test" aspect is the problem. but they said nothing :-(

jdd


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On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 05:23:19PM +0200, jdd wrote:
> there is a "documentation" in the projects list. may the 
> "test" aspect is the problem. but they said nothing :-(
> 
I've told what the problem is. 

Arguing in case they reject a project is the same as trying to scare a
hedgehog with naked buttocks. Been through it. Tried to emphasize
"software documentation"... And basically they were right. I was wrong.

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On Wednesday 24 August 2005 10:57 am, jdd wrote:
> The sourceforge tldpwiki project creation was rejected
> without any explication. My account on sourceforge is old,
> but I never used it and may have failed in correctly
> describing the thing.

Oops, I'm asleep at the wheel.  Sometime within the last two months 
Sourceforge made a policy change for their web servers,  Not sure I can 
describe it completely accurately, but, iiuc, applications that allow 
"online" modification (like a wiki) are no longer allowed.  

To clarify, that means Sourceforge won't "host" a wiki--they will, of course, 
allow a programming project to develop a wiki (which must then be hosted 
elsewhere).

Within the last two months, twiki.org had to move off of Sourceforge for that 
reason.

PS: I meant to look at a calendar, but I'm pretty sure there are no US 
holidays (non-business days) this week, but Sept. 1 is Labor Day, and will 
probably be celebrated on Monday of this coming week (the 29th).

Randy Kramer