discuss: Thread: [please stop!]

please stop  the discuss  about religion  here. this  is the
list about documenting software and hardware. 

please treat my words seriously, or you will be removed.


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At 01:32 5/22/2004, Sergiusz Pawlowicz wrote:
>please stop  the discuss  about religion  here. this  is the
>list about documenting software and hardware.
>
>please treat my words seriously, or you will be removed.

Sergiuzs,

First:

Perhaps you could be a little more specific? It's hard to say whether 
you're demanding that *all* discussion about Teus's proposed document cease 
forthwith, or that only discussions specifically about the beliefs of any 
person or group be discontinued. Also, it's impossible to understand, given 
the English-language use of "you" for both plural and singular, whether you 
are directing this message at any particular person or to everyone who has 
participated in this discussion. Any clarification will make it easier to 
follow the listmaster's instructions.

Second:

That being said, I would also like to suggest that this threat of immediate 
and summary removal from the list is a very, very heavy-handed approach to 
controlling the discussion. I'm very saddened to see you taking this 
approach, since it's the first time in my 10 years of Linux use that I've 
seen an open and (largely) productive discussion on a valid subject get 
slammed shut like that. Note that the "valid subject" I refer to is whether 
or not to include Teus's HOWTO, not any discussion about religion per se.

I haven't been around here for very long, but the mailing lists page [1] 
says that people should join these mailing lists "in order to be involved 
and stay informed about the work being done by the LDP." That includes 
objectives, principles, and philosophy, right? That page also says this 
list (discuss) is a "general discussion list." And lastly, I have seen 
several long and involved discussions around here that were philosophical 
in nature and involved questions of principle, of scope, and specific 
discussion about whether LDP did or did not wish to include certain 
documents based on their content and nature. Al Dev comes to mind as one, 
Encouraging Women in Linux is another.

Those issues *really* got tense and difficult, whereas this one, apart from 
one crack Doug Jensen took at me a couple of hours ago, seems to me to have 
been very civilized so far. And I may have somehow pissed him off by 
mistake, so let's write that one off too. But we hashed them out and got 
through it, and I certainly learned a lot and grew to respect several 
subscribers to this list a great deal. Why is this inappropriate, but those 
were OK? And why is this suddenly the list "about documenting software and 
hardware" when it has previously been very open to *any* general topic of 
interest to LDP?

Do as you will. But I will personally be shocked and disappointed if your 
message is Company Policy, so to speak. Not at all the image I have of this 
group, this project, and this philosophy.

[1] http://www.tldp.org/mailinfo.html#maillists


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