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From: ####@####.#### Date: 29 Jul 2003 17:53:53 -0000 Message-Id: <OF8FAF1F51.C75B0631-ON88256D72.00619CBA@notes.seagate.com> I have Apache Cocoon installed on my machine. And it can do a pretty good job of validating, and you can see the output as well (to verify the presentation). Easy to install as well. Take about 20 mins. I have documented the installation instruction @ http://www.xml-dev.com:8080/cocoon/mount/docbook/openjade.html#N4004BD (Infact this document is hosted on Cocoon) In Peace, Saqib Ali Luc de Louw ####@####.#### To: "Martin A. Brown" ####@####.#### No Phone Info cc: ####@####.#### ####@####.#### Available Subject: Re: Docbook, Xml, Jade etc. 07/29/2003 10:44 AM -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 28 July 2003 06.49, Martin A. Brown wrote: [..] > > $ cd $HOME > $ mkdir docbook > $ cd docbook > $ wget > http://umn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/docbook/docbook-dsssl-1.78.tar.gz > $ tar xvzf docbook-dsssl-1.78.tar.gz > $ ln -s docbook-dsssl-1.78 dsssl > $ wget > http://umn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/docbook/docbook-xsl-1.61.3.tar.gz > $ tar xvzf docbook-xsl-1.61.3.tar.gz > $ ln -s docbook-xsl-1.61.3 xsl > $ wget http://www.tldp.org/authors/tools/docbkx412.zip > $ mkdir -p dtds/4.1.2 > $ cd dtds/4.1.2 > $ unzip ../../docbkx412.zip [..] > > ** Conclusion ** > > So, Simon--YES--DocBook is difficult and frustrating, but you will - From my point of view, writing in DocBook is easy after looking at some examples. But installing the tools, dtd, etc is the hell. I once got the whole stuff running, but unfortunately my computer crashed, and now I'm unable to set up DocBook SGML again :-( To review a own document before releasing it needs the tools installed. The "LDP Author Guide" is generally a very valuable document, but I think it would be great to rework parts of section 3, especially a guide how the tools needs to be installed would be great (In the style like Martin made it in his Mail) for both DocBook XML and SGML. If someone can point me to the right way what is needed to get SGML up und running again, any hints would be appreciated. (I then can start updating my two HOWTOs :-) rgds Luc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/JrJ9lu8vckqKOlQRAu7DAKC23ou4NRIPojISr7UCMGtboC5YhgCdEDqC D+UzmMo3L1G5mabzgVb4HfQ= =qki/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ______________________ http://lists.tldp.org/ | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Re: Docbook, Xml, Jade etc. - using Apache Cocoon to valid8
From: Martin WHEELER ####@####.#### Date: 29 Jul 2003 18:49:51 -0000 Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0307291841180.30067-100000@caxton.startext.demon.co.uk> On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 ####@####.#### wrote: > I have Apache Cocoon installed on my machine. And it can do a pretty good > job of validating, and you can see the output as well (to verify the > presentation). Easy to install as well. Take about 20 mins. I'm very interested in this -- I was just about to post to the list suggesting that in parallel to all our efforts to document the setup procedures for a Docbook processing workstation (I've actually been writing a generalised one for SGML for academics for a while now); the LDP also set up a web site where authors may submit markup for: a) validation / parsing (according to DTD used) b) rendition into a,b,c,d... presentation format(s) thus obviating the need for non-tecnically inspired authors to go through the trauma of setting up their own processing environment locally. (Didn't David Merrill use to have a site that did this? Can't remember the URL offhand. His old site seems to have disppeared, too.) Would your site be suitable for this, Saqib? What sort of DTD library can it cope with? -- Martin Wheeler - StarTEXT / AVALONIX - Glastonbury - BA6 9PH - England ####@####.#### http://www.startext.co.uk/mwheeler/ GPG pub key : 01269BEB 6CAD BFFB DB11 653E B1B7 C62B AC93 0ED8 0126 9BEB - Share your knowledge. It's a way of achieving immortality. - | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Re: Docbook, Xml, Jade etc. - using Apache Cocoon to valid8
From: ####@####.#### Date: 29 Jul 2003 19:12:39 -0000 Message-Id: <OFC9A16D68.6C5CCECD-ON88256D72.00689C28@notes.seagate.com> David Merrill is developing http://www.lampadas.org/ . It is all inclusive Documentation Management System, with Wiki, CVS and a whole lotta other goodies. Cocoon is a very simple way of converting DocBook XML 4.1.2 to HTML, PDF, RTF etc. The way I have setup the server is that you can drop a file into the http://www.xml-dev.com/xml/ folder by using WebFolder under IE 5.0/6.0 (File -> Open (check Open as Web Folder)) And then you can access the HTML rendering of it using http://www.xml-dev.com:8080/cocoon/mount/docbook/{howto_name}.html http://www.xml-dev.com:8080/cocoon/mount/docbook/{howto_name}.pdf e.g. http://www.xml-dev.com:8080/cocoon/mount/docbook/openjade.html http://www.xml-dev.com:8080/cocoon/mount/docbook/Apache-WebDAV-LDAP-HOWTO.html Currently it is only capable of handeling DocBook XML 4.1.2 If anyone wants to test-drive the system, I can create a account for you, and you can drop in the HOWTO in the http://www.xml-dev.com/xml/ In Peace, Saqib Ali Martin WHEELER <mwheeler@startex To: ####@####.#### t.co.uk> cc: ####@####.#### ####@####.#### ####@####.#### "Martin A. Brown" No Phone Info ####@####.#### Available Subject: Re: Docbook, Xml, Jade etc. - using Apache Cocoon to valid8 07/29/2003 11:51 AM On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 ####@####.#### wrote: > I have Apache Cocoon installed on my machine. And it can do a pretty good > job of validating, and you can see the output as well (to verify the > presentation). Easy to install as well. Take about 20 mins. I'm very interested in this -- I was just about to post to the list suggesting that in parallel to all our efforts to document the setup procedures for a Docbook processing workstation (I've actually been writing a generalised one for SGML for academics for a while now); the LDP also set up a web site where authors may submit markup for: a) validation / parsing (according to DTD used) b) rendition into a,b,c,d... presentation format(s) thus obviating the need for non-tecnically inspired authors to go through the trauma of setting up their own processing environment locally. (Didn't David Merrill use to have a site that did this? Can't remember the URL offhand. His old site seems to have disppeared, too.) Would your site be suitable for this, Saqib? What sort of DTD library can it cope with? -- Martin Wheeler - StarTEXT / AVALONIX - Glastonbury - BA6 9PH - England ####@####.#### http://www.startext.co.uk/mwheeler/ GPG pub key : 01269BEB 6CAD BFFB DB11 653E B1B7 C62B AC93 0ED8 0126 9BEB - Share your knowledge. It's a way of achieving immortality. - ______________________ http://lists.tldp.org/ | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Re: Docbook, Xml, Jade etc. - using Apache Cocoon to valid8
From: Luc de Louw ####@####.#### Date: 29 Jul 2003 19:20:03 -0000 Message-Id: <200307292120.01881.luc@delouw.ch> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 29 July 2003 21.12, ####@####.#### wrote: > David Merrill is developing http://www.lampadas.org/ . It is all inclusive > Documentation Management System, with Wiki, CVS and a whole lotta other > goodies. I think I had readed a mail from David that he gived up lampadas? (Maybe I'm wrong) > > Cocoon is a very simple way of converting DocBook XML 4.1.2 to HTML, PDF, > RTF etc. What is about SGML? would be a benefit if it is possiblem since lots of Documents are written in SGML rgds Luc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Jsjhlu8vckqKOlQRAmclAKDN9udvrfjSjCiXRcg9DABOxgyCgwCeJgvT Bxim0tOQamfxlXZ+n7EUoA4= =hCgM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Re: Docbook, Xml, Jade etc. - using Apache Cocoon to valid8
From: ####@####.#### Date: 29 Jul 2003 19:22:11 -0000 Message-Id: <OFD517CAD2.114DDED4-ON88256D72.006A2067@notes.seagate.com> And I also a have online HTML validator that validates against the HTML 4.01 DTD (1998/12/25) @ http://www.xml-dev.com/blog/test.php I think I can plugin DocBook DTD into this to create a online validator for DocBook Content. In Peace, Saqib Ali Saqib.N.Ali@seaga te.com To: ####@####.#### 408.456.3622 cc: ####@####.#### ####@####.#### ####@####.#### "Martin A. Brown" ####@####.#### 07/29/2003 12:12 Subject: Re: Docbook, Xml, Jade etc. - using Apache Cocoon to valid8 PM David Merrill is developing http://www.lampadas.org/ . It is all inclusive Documentation Management System, with Wiki, CVS and a whole lotta other goodies. Cocoon is a very simple way of converting DocBook XML 4.1.2 to HTML, PDF, RTF etc. The way I have setup the server is that you can drop a file into the http://www.xml-dev.com/xml/ folder by using WebFolder under IE 5.0/6.0 (File -> Open (check Open as Web Folder)) And then you can access the HTML rendering of it using http://www.xml-dev.com:8080/cocoon/mount/docbook/{howto_name}.html http://www.xml-dev.com:8080/cocoon/mount/docbook/{howto_name}.pdf e.g. http://www.xml-dev.com:8080/cocoon/mount/docbook/openjade.html http://www.xml-dev.com:8080/cocoon/mount/docbook/Apache-WebDAV-LDAP-HOWTO.html Currently it is only capable of handeling DocBook XML 4.1.2 If anyone wants to test-drive the system, I can create a account for you, and you can drop in the HOWTO in the http://www.xml-dev.com/xml/ In Peace, Saqib Ali Martin WHEELER <mwheeler@startex To: ####@####.#### t.co.uk> cc: ####@####.#### ####@####.#### ####@####.#### "Martin A. Brown" No Phone Info ####@####.#### Available Subject: Re: Docbook, Xml, Jade etc. - using Apache Cocoon to valid8 07/29/2003 11:51 AM On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 ####@####.#### wrote: > I have Apache Cocoon installed on my machine. And it can do a pretty good > job of validating, and you can see the output as well (to verify the > presentation). Easy to install as well. Take about 20 mins. I'm very interested in this -- I was just about to post to the list suggesting that in parallel to all our efforts to document the setup procedures for a Docbook processing workstation (I've actually been writing a generalised one for SGML for academics for a while now); the LDP also set up a web site where authors may submit markup for: a) validation / parsing (according to DTD used) b) rendition into a,b,c,d... presentation format(s) thus obviating the need for non-tecnically inspired authors to go through the trauma of setting up their own processing environment locally. (Didn't David Merrill use to have a site that did this? Can't remember the URL offhand. His old site seems to have disppeared, too.) Would your site be suitable for this, Saqib? What sort of DTD library can it cope with? -- Martin Wheeler - StarTEXT / AVALONIX - Glastonbury - BA6 9PH - England ####@####.#### http://www.startext.co.uk/mwheeler/ GPG pub key : 01269BEB 6CAD BFFB DB11 653E B1B7 C62B AC93 0ED8 0126 9BEB - Share your knowledge. It's a way of achieving immortality. - ______________________ http://lists.tldp.org/ ______________________ http://lists.tldp.org/ | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Re: Docbook, Xml, Jade etc. - using Apache Cocoon to valid8
From: ####@####.#### Date: 29 Jul 2003 19:26:33 -0000 Message-Id: <OFBA528FE4.E4C6BF54-ON88256D72.006A6F4C@notes.seagate.com> Urfortunately this setup can not handle SGML :( But *I think* my online Valid8r @ http://www.xml-dev.com/blog/test.php can help. In Peace, Saqib Ali Luc de Louw ####@####.#### To: ####@####.#### ####@####.#### No Phone Info cc: ####@####.#### ####@####.#### "Martin A. Brown" Available ####@####.#### Subject: Re: Docbook, Xml, Jade etc. - using Apache Cocoon to valid8 07/29/2003 12:20 PM -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 29 July 2003 21.12, ####@####.#### wrote: > David Merrill is developing http://www.lampadas.org/ . It is all inclusive > Documentation Management System, with Wiki, CVS and a whole lotta other > goodies. I think I had readed a mail from David that he gived up lampadas? (Maybe I'm wrong) > > Cocoon is a very simple way of converting DocBook XML 4.1.2 to HTML, PDF, > RTF etc. What is about SGML? would be a benefit if it is possiblem since lots of Documents are written in SGML rgds Luc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Jsjhlu8vckqKOlQRAmclAKDN9udvrfjSjCiXRcg9DABOxgyCgwCeJgvT Bxim0tOQamfxlXZ+n7EUoA4= =hCgM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ______________________ http://lists.tldp.org/ | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Re: Docbook, Xml, Jade etc. - using Apache Cocoon to valid8
From: Luc de Louw ####@####.#### Date: 29 Jul 2003 19:46:19 -0000 Message-Id: <200307292146.18219.luc@delouw.ch> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 29 July 2003 21.26, ####@####.#### wrote: > Urfortunately this setup can not handle SGML :( > > But *I think* my online Valid8r @ http://www.xml-dev.com/blog/test.php can > help. I tried to validate http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Apache-Compile-HOWTO/index.html Not a surprise, the result was, that the document is invalid, because the HTML does not have <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"> SGML also does not work, because your valdator looks like it only checks for HTML? Anyway, the cocoon stuff looks great! rgds Luc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Js8Klu8vckqKOlQRAkcXAKCt+umpCo76vkmmmufzUdg97KHRkwCgiSL9 wkefd/G0dNRyeIlPdM+3aUQ= =hHt6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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From: ####@####.#### Date: 29 Jul 2003 19:50:40 -0000 Message-Id: <OF36534320.DA120F41-ON88256D72.006CC7F8@notes.seagate.com> Yup you need to have the DocType Definition. It says in the DTD ;) Yup for DocBook SGML/XML , I will have to plugin a different DTD. In Peace, Saqib Ali Download Desktop Applications -> https://downloads.seagate.com Luc de Louw ####@####.#### To: ####@####.#### No Phone Info cc: ####@####.#### ####@####.#### "Martin A. Brown" Available ####@####.#### ####@####.#### Subject: Re: Docbook, Xml, Jade etc. - using Apache Cocoon to valid8 07/29/2003 12:46 PM -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 29 July 2003 21.26, ####@####.#### wrote: > Urfortunately this setup can not handle SGML :( > > But *I think* my online Valid8r @ http://www.xml-dev.com/blog/test.php can > help. I tried to validate http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Apache-Compile-HOWTO/index.html Not a surprise, the result was, that the document is invalid, because the HTML does not have <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"> SGML also does not work, because your valdator looks like it only checks for HTML? Anyway, the cocoon stuff looks great! rgds Luc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Js8Klu8vckqKOlQRAkcXAKCt+umpCo76vkmmmufzUdg97KHRkwCgiSL9 wkefd/G0dNRyeIlPdM+3aUQ= =hHt6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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From: David Lawyer ####@####.#### Date: 30 Jul 2003 08:23:44 -0000 Message-Id: <20030730083623.GB337@lafn.org> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 09:20:00PM +0200, Luc de Louw wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tuesday 29 July 2003 21.12, ####@####.#### wrote: > > David Merrill is developing http://www.lampadas.org/ . It is all inclusive > > Documentation Management System, with Wiki, CVS and a whole lotta other > > goodies. > > I think I had readed a mail from David that he gived up lampadas? (Maybe I'm > wrong) He says he's still working on it but at a slower pace. David Lawyer | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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