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Subject:
Documentation licensing
From: Chris Riddoch ####@####.#### Date: 23 May 2002 17:29:11 -0000 Message-Id: <87k7pulqhu.fsf@peakpeak.com> Hi, everyone. After briefly skimming the recent threads on document licensing issues, a general issue comes to mind. I'm sure someone has a simple answer that demonstrates the needs met by the current system rather than another, but why exactly are the copyrights of HOWTOs and other documents not simply signed over to the LDP? The LDP could make modifications to documents where the original author has disappeared (a frequent issue, it seems) and could have its own policy for the republishing of documents which would be consistent for everything in the LDP. The Debian issue could have been solved quickly and easily. Alternatively, could LDP documents fall under work-for-hire doctrine? In short, is this at all a valid answer to to these problems? No flames, please. It's just a question. -- Chris Riddoch | epistemological ####@####.#### | humility | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Subject:
Re: Documentation licensing
From: David Merrill ####@####.#### Date: 23 May 2002 19:21:00 -0000 Message-Id: <20020523182627.GD1912@lupercalia.net> On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:32:13AM -0600, Chris Riddoch wrote: > Hi, everyone. > > After briefly skimming the recent threads on document licensing > issues, a general issue comes to mind. > > I'm sure someone has a simple answer that demonstrates the needs met > by the current system rather than another, but why exactly are the > copyrights of HOWTOs and other documents not simply signed over to the > LDP? We do not yet have any legal entity, so cannot own copyright. Once we have a legal organization set up, which we are working on, then we will have to discuss it as a policy issue. IMO, all we need is the doc to be under a Free license, but if the author wants to give us copyright that would be also okay. -- David C. Merrill http://www.lupercalia.net Linux Documentation Project ####@####.#### Lead Developer http://www.tldp.org Dying in America At the end of the millennium We're dying in America To come into our own And when you're dying in America At the end of the millennium You're not alone | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Subject:
Re: Documentation licensing
From: David Lawyer ####@####.#### Date: 23 May 2002 23:58:30 -0000 Message-Id: <20020523135501.B545@lafn.org> On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:32:13AM -0600, Chris Riddoch wrote: > Hi, everyone. > > After briefly skimming the recent threads on document licensing > issues, a general issue comes to mind. > > I'm sure someone has a simple answer that demonstrates the needs met > by the current system rather than another, but why exactly are the > copyrights of HOWTOs and other documents not simply signed over to the > LDP? Even if the LDP were a legal entity and could own copyrights, there might still be some danger if LDP owned the copyrights. Suppose LDP was taken over by people that wanted to commercialize on documentation and sell it? Takeovers can be insidious where people volunteer to help the LDP, pretending to support free software, and then reveal their true intentions and commercialize it. So free documentation needs to have a free license to keep it free. Even in this case, the copyright owner can always change the license on a new version. The old version remains under it's original license. Also free documentation needs a license to allow copying and distribution of it. Otherwise it would need to be public domain in order to be able to copy and distribute it. The problem with public domain is that anyone can modify it and then copyright the modified work with no license at all. David Lawyer | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Subject:
Re: Documentation licensing
From: David Merrill ####@####.#### Date: 24 May 2002 00:40:56 -0000 Message-Id: <20020524013308.GI13311@lupercalia.net> On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 01:55:02PM -0700, David Lawyer wrote: > On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:32:13AM -0600, Chris Riddoch wrote: > > Hi, everyone. > > > > After briefly skimming the recent threads on document licensing > > issues, a general issue comes to mind. > > > > I'm sure someone has a simple answer that demonstrates the needs met > > by the current system rather than another, but why exactly are the > > copyrights of HOWTOs and other documents not simply signed over to the > > LDP? > > Even if the LDP were a legal entity and could own copyrights, there > might still be some danger if LDP owned the copyrights. Suppose LDP > was taken over by people that wanted to commercialize on documentation > and sell it? Takeovers can be insidious where people volunteer to help > the LDP, pretending to support free software, and then reveal their true > intentions and commercialize it. So free documentation needs to have a > free license to keep it free. Even in this case, the copyright owner > can always change the license on a new version. The old version remains > under it's original license. That is a good point, David, and I hadn't thought of it. If an author wants to reassign copyright to someone who can be always counted on to keep it Free, they might consider the FSF, though. And honestly I do not see the LDP ever commercializing anything for profit. Yes, a random individual could work their way in without showing their true colors, but it would take a majority of the LDP board to do such a thing, and we all know each other well enough that we should be comfortable the majority is strongly opposed to such things. Now, selling CDs for $5.00 for the LDP, which can also be downloaded for free, I would be fine with. Selling things is not wrong, even if they are Free! But turning it proprietary in the licensing I would never support. Nor would the board of the LDP, Inc., I am sure. -- David C. Merrill http://www.lupercalia.net Linux Documentation Project ####@####.#### Lead Developer http://www.tldp.org The opposite of War isn't Peace. It's Creation! -- RENT | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Subject:
Re: Documentation licensing
From: ####@####.#### Date: 24 May 2002 15:46:27 -0000 Message-Id: <20020524094523.B25024@trib.com> On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 01:26:27PM -0500, David Merrill wrote: > On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:32:13AM -0600, Chris Riddoch wrote: > > Hi, everyone. > > > > After briefly skimming the recent threads on document licensing > > issues, a general issue comes to mind. > > > > I'm sure someone has a simple answer that demonstrates the needs met > > by the current system rather than another, but why exactly are the > > copyrights of HOWTOs and other documents not simply signed over to the > > LDP? > > We do not yet have any legal entity, so cannot own copyright. Once we > have a legal organization set up, which we are working on, then we > will have to discuss it as a policy issue. As I understand the law (not being an attorney), the LDP is an "unincorporated association", and is perfectly capable of holding copyrights and otherwise acting as a legal entity. Perhaps the FSF could suggest an attorney to deal with these issues? -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or web pages? X No HTML/RTF in email http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley / \ No M$ Word docs in email --> --> |
<type 'exceptions.IOError'> | Python 2.5.2: /usr/bin/python Mon Jul 8 01:41:37 2024 |
A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence of function calls leading up to the error, in the order they occurred.
/opt/ezmlm-browse-0.20/<string> in |
/opt/ezmlm-browse-0.20/main.py in main() |
424 |
425 if path is not None: |
426 main_path(path) |
427 else: |
428 main_form() |
global main_form = <function main_form at 0x9b57c6c> |
/opt/ezmlm-browse-0.20/main.py in main_form() |
378 except ImportError: |
379 die(ctxt, "Invalid command") |
380 module.do(ctxt) |
381 |
382 def main(): |
module = <module 'commands.showthread' from '/opt/ezmlm-browse-0.20/commands/showthread.pyc'>, module.do = <function do at 0x9b70aac>, global ctxt = {'HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER': 'glitch', 'HTTP_REFE...HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, br, zstd, deflate'} |
/opt/ezmlm-browse-0.20/commands/showthread.py in do(ctxt={'HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER': 'glitch', 'HTTP_REFE...HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, br, zstd, deflate'}) |
9 ctxt.update(ezmlm.thread(ctxt[THREADID])) |
10 header(ctxt, 'Thread: ' + ctxt[SUBJECT], 'showthread') |
11 do_list(ctxt, 'msgs', ctxt[MSGSPERPAGE], ctxt[MESSAGES], |
12 lambda:sub_showmsg(ctxt, ctxt[MSGNUM])) |
13 footer(ctxt) |
global sub_showmsg = <function sub_showmsg at 0x9b571ec>, ctxt = {'HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER': 'glitch', 'HTTP_REFE...HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, br, zstd, deflate'}, global MSGNUM = 'msgnum' |
/opt/ezmlm-browse-0.20/globalfns.py in do_list(ctxt={'HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER': 'glitch', 'HTTP_REFE...HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, br, zstd, deflate'}, name='msgs', perpage=10, values=[{'author': u'Chris Riddoch', 'authorid': 'ghfchikmjmfgednkmncn', 'date': '23 May 2002 17:29:11 -0000', 'month': 200205, 'msgnum': 3170, 'subject': u'Documentation licensing', 'threadid': 'jicghldafngijibhnajo', 'timestamp': 1022174951.0}, {'author': u'David Merrill', 'authorid': 'lagflfnealnmhgbpnfbe', 'date': '23 May 2002 19:21:00 -0000', 'month': 200205, 'msgnum': 3173, 'subject': u'Re: Documentation licensing', 'threadid': 'jicghldafngijibhnajo', 'timestamp': 1022181660.0}, {'author': u'David Lawyer', 'authorid': 'claiepedajakajhoajgg', 'date': '23 May 2002 23:58:30 -0000', 'month': 200205, 'msgnum': 3175, 'subject': u'Re: Documentation licensing', 'threadid': 'jicghldafngijibhnajo', 'timestamp': 1022198310.0}, {'author': u'David Merrill', 'authorid': 'lagflfnealnmhgbpnfbe', 'date': '24 May 2002 00:40:56 -0000', 'month': 200205, 'msgnum': 3177, 'subject': u'Re: Documentation licensing', 'threadid': 'jicghldafngijibhnajo', 'timestamp': 1022200856.0}, {'author': u'ccurley.trib.com', 'authorid': 'hegpelcedccjdcfihhmb', 'date': '24 May 2002 15:46:27 -0000', 'month': 200205, 'msgnum': 3179, 'subject': u'Re: Documentation licensing', 'threadid': 'jicghldafngijibhnajo', 'timestamp': 1022255187.0}, {'author': u'David Merrill', 'authorid': 'lagflfnealnmhgbpnfbe', 'date': '24 May 2002 16:38:12 -0000', 'month': 200205, 'msgnum': 3180, 'subject': u'Re: Documentation licensing', 'threadid': 'jicghldafngijibhnajo', 'timestamp': 1022258292.0}, {'author': u'hayward.slothmud.org', 'authorid': 'opkmkoedmfcdgegfkkkc', 'date': '24 May 2002 16:40:42 -0000', 'month': 200205, 'msgnum': 3181, 'subject': u'Re: Documentation licensing', 'threadid': 'jicghldafngijibhnajo', 'timestamp': 1022258442.0}, {'author': u'Rahul Sundaram', 'authorid': 'ihpahginmljdgbhooeje', 'date': '6 Apr 2004 18:21:04 -0000', 'month': 200404, 'msgnum': 6964, 'subject': u'Documentation Licensing', 'threadid': 'jicghldafngijibhnajo', 'timestamp': 1081275664.0}, {'author': u'Rick Moen', 'authorid': 'pkdleajpekbbaookkgbd', 'date': '6 Apr 2004 19:24:16 -0000', 'month': 200404, 'msgnum': 6965, 'subject': u'Re: Documentation Licensing', 'threadid': 'jicghldafngijibhnajo', 'timestamp': 1081279456.0}, {'author': u'Rahul Sundaram', 'authorid': 'ihpahginmljdgbhooeje', 'date': '6 Apr 2004 21:35:35 -0000', 'month': 200404, 'msgnum': 6966, 'subject': u'Re: Documentation Licensing', 'threadid': 'jicghldafngijibhnajo', 'timestamp': 1081287335.0}], peritem=<function <lambda> at 0x9b7079c>) |
128 write(template % ctxt) |
129 if peritem: |
130 peritem() |
131 ctxt[ROW] += 1 |
132 |
peritem = <function <lambda> at 0x9b7079c> |
/opt/ezmlm-browse-0.20/commands/showthread.py in |
9 ctxt.update(ezmlm.thread(ctxt[THREADID])) |
10 header(ctxt, 'Thread: ' + ctxt[SUBJECT], 'showthread') |
11 do_list(ctxt, 'msgs', ctxt[MSGSPERPAGE], ctxt[MESSAGES], |
12 lambda:sub_showmsg(ctxt, ctxt[MSGNUM])) |
13 footer(ctxt) |
global sub_showmsg = <function sub_showmsg at 0x9b571ec>, ctxt = {'HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER': 'glitch', 'HTTP_REFE...HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, br, zstd, deflate'}, global MSGNUM = 'msgnum' |
/opt/ezmlm-browse-0.20/globalfns.py in sub_showmsg(ctxt={'HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER': 'glitch', 'HTTP_REFE...HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, br, zstd, deflate'}, msgnum=3179) |
229 format_timestamp(ctxt, ctxt) |
230 write(html('msg-header') % ctxt) |
231 rec_showpart(ctxt, msg, 0) |
232 write(html('msg-footer') % ctxt) |
233 ctxt.pop() |
global rec_showpart = <function rec_showpart at 0x9b571b4>, ctxt = {'HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER': 'glitch', 'HTTP_REFE...HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, br, zstd, deflate'}, msg = <email.message.Message instance at 0x9bd33cc> |
/opt/ezmlm-browse-0.20/globalfns.py in rec_showpart(ctxt={'HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER': 'glitch', 'HTTP_REFE...HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, br, zstd, deflate'}, part=<email.message.Message instance at 0x9bd33cc>, partnum=1) |
205 else: |
206 for p in part.get_payload(): |
207 partnum = rec_showpart(ctxt, p, partnum+1) |
208 else: |
209 write(html('msg-sep') % ctxt) |
partnum = 1, global rec_showpart = <function rec_showpart at 0x9b571b4>, ctxt = {'HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER': 'glitch', 'HTTP_REFE...HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, br, zstd, deflate'}, p = <email.message.Message instance at 0x9bd316c> |
/opt/ezmlm-browse-0.20/globalfns.py in rec_showpart(ctxt={'HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER': 'glitch', 'HTTP_REFE...HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, br, zstd, deflate'}, part=<email.message.Message instance at 0x9bd316c>, partnum=2) |
208 else: |
209 write(html('msg-sep') % ctxt) |
210 sub_showpart(ctxt, part) |
211 return partnum |
212 |
global sub_showpart = <function sub_showpart at 0x9b57144>, ctxt = {'HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER': 'glitch', 'HTTP_REFE...HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, br, zstd, deflate'}, part = <email.message.Message instance at 0x9bd316c> |
/opt/ezmlm-browse-0.20/globalfns.py in sub_showpart(ctxt={'HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER': 'glitch', 'HTTP_REFE...HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, br, zstd, deflate'}, part=<email.message.Message instance at 0x9bd316c>) |
164 type = ctxt[TYPE] = part.get_content_type() |
165 ctxt[FILENAME] = part.get_filename() |
166 template = html('msg-' + type.replace('/', '-')) |
167 if not template: |
168 template = html('msg-' + type[:type.find('/')]) |
global template = <function template at 0x9b4fe9c>, global html = <function html at 0x9b4fed4>, type = 'application/pgp-signature', type.replace = <built-in method replace of str object at 0x9bd4448> |
/opt/ezmlm-browse-0.20/globalfns.py in html(name='msg-application-pgp-signature') |
40 |
41 def html(name): |
42 return template(name + '.html') |
43 |
44 def xml(name): |
global template = <function template at 0x9b4fe9c>, name = 'msg-application-pgp-signature' |
/opt/ezmlm-browse-0.20/globalfns.py in template(filename='msg-application-pgp-signature.html') |
31 except IOError: |
32 if not _template_zipfile: |
33 _template_zipfile = zipfile.ZipFile(sys.argv[0]) |
34 try: |
35 f = _template_zipfile.open(n).read() |
global _template_zipfile = None, global zipfile = <module 'zipfile' from '/usr/lib/python2.5/zipfile.pyc'>, zipfile.ZipFile = <class zipfile.ZipFile at 0x9ae8a7c>, global sys = <module 'sys' (built-in)>, sys.argv = ['-c', '/opt/ezmlm-browse-0.20'] |
/usr/lib/python2.5/zipfile.py in __init__(self=<zipfile.ZipFile instance at 0x9bcde0c>, file='-c', mode='r', compression=0, allowZip64=False) |
337 self.filename = file |
338 modeDict = {'r' : 'rb', 'w': 'wb', 'a' : 'r+b'} |
339 self.fp = open(file, modeDict[mode]) |
340 else: |
341 self._filePassed = 1 |
self = <zipfile.ZipFile instance at 0x9bcde0c>, self.fp = None, builtin open = <built-in function open>, file = '-c', modeDict = {'a': 'r+b', 'r': 'rb', 'w': 'wb'}, mode = 'r' |
<type 'exceptions.IOError'>: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '-c'
args =
(2, 'No such file or directory')
errno =
2
filename =
'-c'
message =
''
strerror =
'No such file or directory'