discuss: small demo page
Subject:
Re: [discuss] Re: small demo page
From:
Stein Gjoen ####@####.####
Date:
14 Sep 2005 13:13:48 -0000
Message-Id: <432821C4.8020208@mail.nyx.net>
Yaroslav Fedevych wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 09:41:03PM +0200, Stein Gjoen wrote:
>
>>There is no conflict in view here, I see the wiki debate as
>>a possible means of revitalisation.
>
> Sorry, but debates do not revitalize _anything_. Action does. It must
> be not brilliant or be perfect, but it must be there, and I'm rather
> happy to see jdd _do_ something, not only _talk_ how good would it be to
> do this and that.
I have acted. I have contributed. I spent hours on JDD's wiki.
Now it is all gone and JDD cannot even see anyone has contributed.
When all these hours I spent were a total waste of effort and my
time I am certainly not going to put in another major job before
we have got to the bottom of what happened.
> Once you get started, you'll eventually see how to improve, and, even
> more important -- when.
Some of us have been there and done that. Now is the time to discuss
how to go on from there. "When" is now.
> Sorry but I still see more people debating over those damn things and it
> tempts me to ask about the date and location where TLDP's funeral will
> take place.
I am not just a talker; I also produce the goods. How about you?
I have created numerous prototypes for various things, put them
up for public viewing and comments. So far not much.
I feel there is just a few of us doing real work, trying to improve
TLDP but since this is not a dictatorship we need feedback. A few
months ago there was a minor tempest in this teacup on the existence
of a Staff list and fears this was some kind of secret conspiracy.
Open discussions are therefore neccessary for the health of the
project and also progress. It is rather indicative that the effort
on describing positions remains unfinished.
>>I feel we have to look at our audience and serve them better
>>(end users, distribution makes and authors). I doubts we can
>>ever say we are finished, continuous improvements is the norm
>>these days.
>
> I think the website should be brought up to the current standards for
> this kind of sites. The navigation is far from being very clear for
> novices... Just my $0.01.
I tend not to abuse the exclamation character on my keyboard but I am
getting pretty close this time.
Regards,
Stein Gjoen
