discuss: LDP Committee?
Subject:
Re: LDP Committee?
From:
Binh Nguyen ####@####.####
Date:
8 Mar 2005 01:52:49 -0000
Message-Id: <1081abc90503071752b1b7792@mail.gmail.com>
The only real problem that I have with the current LDP structure is
that I don't think that its all that obvious what the difference
between a staff member and a volunteer is.... Most of us contribute
something. Why aren't we included on the Volunteer list? I think the
idea about job decriptions was good though. Perhaps a name change to
the link from http://www.tldp.org/vlist.html to
http://www.tldp.org/staff.html? As for elections.... I don't really
mind. I just wish it were more obvious who and what people were doing.
Binh.
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:21:57 +0000 (GMT), Martin Wheeler
####@####.#### wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Guylhem Aznar wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, 6 March 2005 at 16:53:13 (+0000), Martin Wheeler wrote:
> >> Guylhem -- could you let the list know *where* exactly one can find
> >> information on _who_ is staff; _how_ they are chosen to become staff
>
> > Who is staff- big question. The best definition is "whoever is on the
> > staff mailing list". I don't keep a list, because it also depends on
> > the person will to participate to the list.
>
> Sorry, Guylhem -- that's nowhere near good enough.
>
> In fact, it's so damn' pathetic, that I hereby formally request of this
> community -- and you, as its unelected group leader -- that a list be
> published, illico, of those people who are currently members of the staff
> list; an explanation of how they came to be members of the staff list;
> and a description of the formal procedures by which any member of this
> voluntary community may themselves become a member of the 'staff' list.
>
> Also, a full description of the duties and powers of the LDP 'group
> leader'; how one becomes 'group leader'; and what this person's
> resonsibilities are. (Because nowhere is this information publicly
> detailed; and it's becoming a festering canker which is preventing the
> group from functioning at full efficiency.)
>
>
> And if you're not prepared to do this, I hereby formally propose to this
> community that the so-called 'staff' list be discontinued and disbanded;
> that the position and role of group leader be put under scrutiny as to
> effectiveness and desirability; and that a now long-overdue and total
> re-organisation of the structure and modus operandi of the whole LDP be
> undertaken immediately.
>
>
> > Regarding how one becomes staff, if there is some special need and/or
> > someone who appears to be doing good thinks for TLDP, this person is
> > invited unless someone from the staff has a good reason to say no.
>
> That's even worse.
> So you are telling me that the LDP is run by a bunch of self-appointed
> cronies who decide who is to become part of their cabal according to
> whether the cut of their jib fits or not?
>
> No way.
>
> Sorry, Guylhem -- this has GOT to change.
> It's undemocratic; ad hoc -- and wide open to accusations of abuse.
> I've had enough. And I'm sure many others on the list feel the same way.
>
>
> >> And what their powers are?
> >> How their responsibilities are defined?
> >
> > Limited. We only take decisions when we think we may need to "impose"
> > something for the common good. We haven't been doing that for long.
>
> With what authority?
> Vested in you by whom?
> Who decides the common good? A bunch of self-appointed so-called
> 'representatives'?
> (It must be obvious that you don't represent any philosophy of mine.)
>
>
> Let me quite clear on this -- I consider myself a part of the LDP (even
> though I'm no longer actively maintaining any documents); and I would
> participate even more actively in the workings of the group if I felt more
> comfortable with the way it is organised and run.
> I obviously don't feel comfortable at all.
>
> Now can we please have some honest comment and facts; and less of the
> "There, there, Nanny knows best" old-boy network attitude, brushing off of
> uncomfortable questions and ignoring things and hoping they'll go away.
> They won't.
>
>
> > Then let's find ideas and try to implement them.
>
> I'm trying! Buddha knows, I'm trying!
>
>
> > Discussing things
> > in the real life is much easier.
>
> But all we've got at the moment is this mailing list.
> So let's use it, shall we?
>
> Sincerely,
> --
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