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From: Randy Kramer ####@####.####
Date: 20 Mar 2001 16:17:40 -0000
Message-Id: <3AB782BA.79F2@fast.net>

This is the second post I thought might be helpful.  (Well, timewise,
this is the first, the other came later.)  This only addresses a
business card cd with ~ 50 MB capacity.

Randy Kramer

On Sun, Feb 18, 2001 at 11:44:59AM +0000, Niall O Broin wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 11:11:45PM +0100, Andreas Klu?mann wrote:
> 
> > I've got:
> > 
> > ATIP info from disk:
> >   Indicated writing power: 5
> >   Is not unrestricted
> >   Is not erasable
> >   ATIP start of lead in:  -11324 (97:31/01)
> >   ATIP start of lead out: 95475 (21:15/00)
> > Disk type: Long strategy type (Cyanine, AZO or similar)
> > Manuf. index: 22
> > Manufacturer: Ritek Co.
> 
> OK - I just did this for a BBC and some full size CDs and I got
> 
> Full size (SONY)	ATIP start of lead out: 336075 (74:43/00)
> Full size (Generic)	ATIP start of lead out: 335100 (74:30/00)
> BBC			ATIP start of lead out: 26850 (06:00/00)
> 
> I've no idea what the initial numbers are (nor those in the lead-in values)

The initial numbers give the numbers of sectors (of 2048 Bytes each!).

Extra size (Memorex)    ATIP start of lead out: 359849 (79:59/74)
                                                359849 * 2048 Bytes = aprox. 702.8 MB
Full size (SONY)	ATIP start of lead out: 336075 (74:43/00)
                                                336075 * 2048 Bytes = aprox. 656.4 MB
Full size (Generic)	ATIP start of lead out: 335100 (74:30/00)
                                                335100 * 2048 Bytes = aprox. 654.5 MB
Full size (Kodak)       ATIP start of lead out: 333226 (74:05/01)
                                                333226 * 2048 Bytes = aprox. 650.8 MB
Mini CD                 ATIP start of lead out: 95475 (21:15/00)
                                                95475  * 2048 Bytes = aprox. 186.5 MB
BBC			ATIP start of lead out: 26850 (06:00/00)
                                                26850  * 2048 Bytes = aprox.  52.4 MB

> but I think it's reasonable to make the assumption that the number in
> parentheses is the capacity in time, which I always understood to be 74
> minutes for a full size CD. This implies a time capacity for the BBC of 6
> minutes and I know that the data capacity of the BBC is fractionally more
> than 53708800 bytes (I made an ISO which was too big for the blank -
> cdrecord warns you - and I decided that I'd find out what was the maximum
> capacity. So I did some binary chops between the too big size and a size
> which I knew did fit, until I got the above figure). 

taking your figure and the size from the output above results in about
1250 KBytes for fixating the disk!

> Extrapolating from the known figures, I get a capacity of ~ 181.4 MB for
> your mini CD blanks.

If it takes the same amount for fixating the disk i get ~ 185.25 MB for the mini CD blanks.

> Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Niall  O Broin
> 
> 

Greetings Andreas

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